fttHt wzr@ lzr`@ wjm`@ lrwH lqds- lkslyk mw'tmr b`nwn: "strtyjyt wtqnyt jdyd@ lSn`@ lnbydh llbnny", nZmth kly@ l`lwm lzr`y@ wlGdhy'y@ fy ljm`@, fy HDwr lsfyr krym khlyl mmthl wzyr lkhrjy@ wlmGtrbyn jbrn bsyl, rmy mt~ mmthl wzyr lTq@ wlmyh syzr 'by khlyl, lny'b shwqy ldksh, ry'ys jm`@ lrwH lqds - lkslyk l'b lbrwfswr jwrj Hbyq@, lmdyr l`m lwzr@ lzr`@ lmhnds lwys lHwd, mdyr `m lmnZm@ ldwly@ llkrm@ wlnbydh jn - mry 'wrn w'mynh lms`d yn jwbn, ry'ys ltHd llbnny llkrm@ wlnbydh Zfr lshwy mmthl bry'ys ljn@ l`lqt l`m@ lltHd lkbtn Hbyb krm, lmstshr@ lqlymy@ llzr`@ fy lsfr@ lfrnsy@ flyry fywn, w`myd@ lkly@ lmnZm@ ldktwr@ lr Hn wkym, Df@ l~ '`D mjls ljm`@ wl'stdh@ wlTlb wjm` mn lf`lyt wlkhtSSyyn wlm`nyyn fy qT` lnbydh.wkymsthl lmw'tmr blnshydyn llbnny wlfrnsy, thm knt klm@ tqdym lsmr lHj, 'lqt b`dh `myd@ lkly@ lmnZm@ klm@ qlt fyh: "n mw'tmr lywm yqdm ln frS@ lnshr wtbdl khbrtn fy qT` lkrm@ wlnbydh wlt`zyz dwr lnbydh llbnny ldhy 'SbH jwhr@ lzr`@ llbnny@. wq` khtyrn `l~ `nwn hdh lmw'tmr wTrHh mwDw` llbHth, nZr l'hmyth k'Hd mwDy` ls`@, wkb`th ll'ml, ldhy nHn klbnnyyn b'ms lHj@ lyh lmstqbl 'fDl".w'kdt "'n qT` lnbydh yshkl 'hmy@ strtyjy@ llzr`@ fy lbnn wlmstqbl lmnTq lryfy@ wld`mh wbq shbbn fy mnTqhm, fl yzl trykh lnbydh llbnny 'sTwr@ ttmt` bHywy@ dy'm@". wqlt: "y`wd lnbydh l~ ltqlyd llbnny wtrykhh l`ryq wldyny. wfy hdh lsyq, 'shkr mw'ss@ 'dyr ltb`@ llrhbny@ llbnny@ lmrwny@ lty 'ssh l'b l`m n`m@ llh hshm ldhy lm yfwt frS@ lHtrm hdh ltqlyd l`ryq wntj lnbydh tHt shrf rhbny".wnwht wkym "blrwbT ltrykhy@ byn frns wlbnn lty `zzth Sn`@ lnbydh, blDf@ l~ lshrk@ byn ljm`@ wlmnZm@ ldwly@ llkrm@ wlnbydh", mrHb@ b"shrk ljm`@ l'kdymyyn l`lmyyn ldhyn HDrw hdh lmw'tmr, mw'kdyn ymnhm bTq@ lnbydh llbnny". wkhtmt: "n lmS`b lty nwjhh ln tHl fy ywm wHd, bl ylzmn lkthyr mn lshj`@ wltSmym wlrd@ lSlb@. w'n `l~ yqyn 'n kl hdhh lSft lm tfrq 'bd mSn`y lnbydh, whdh m yshkl nqT lqw@ fy Sn`@ lnbydh llbnny wyshm fy tmyzh".krm'm mmthl ry'ys ltHd llbnny llkrm@ wlnbydh ftwjh fy msthl klmth blshkr llwzyr bsyl "lms`dth hdh lqT` wtbnyh Tlq lnbydh llbnny `lmy". wql: "n`ks dhlk fy htmm jmy` sfrtn blmntwjt llbnny@ wkhS@ lnbydh". kdhlk shkr wzr@ lzr`@ "lty tbdhl jhd mstmr fy ldkhl wlkhrj ld`m qT`n, flmyzny@ lsnwy@ lmkhSS@ llm`rD smHt ln bTlq lnbydh llbnny fy `d@ `wSm `lmy@". wql: "n ms`d@ ljmy` ln lm tdhhb hb, fqd Hz lnbydh llbnny fy hdhh lsn@ km fy sn@ 2015 jy'ztyn tfwqn lmydlyt ldhhby@ bdrjtyn: l'wl~ `n lnbydh l'Hmr llbnny fy lndn wlthny@ `n lnbydh l'byD fy bwrdw m` lqb "'fDl nbydh 'byD fy HwD lbHr lmtwsT", wfy kl lmsbqtyn l`lmytyn yshtrk mSn`w lnbydh mn kf@ 'rj lm`mwr@, hdh `d `n `shrt lmydlyt ldhhby@ wlfDy@ wGyrh fy kbryt lmsbqt l`lmy@".'wrnmn jhth, tTrq mdyr `m lmnZm@ ldwly@ llkrm@ wlnbydh l~ "l`lqt lmthmr@" byn lmnZm@ wlbnn. wlft l~ "'n lbnn qd 'ss tHd lkrm@ wlnbydh `m 1997, thm tbn~ qnwn lnbydh `m 2000, ldhy `l~ 'ssh t'ss lm`hd lwTny llkrm@ wlnbydh `m 2013. w'qymt 'wl jls@ ltdhwq lnbydh llbnny fy mqr lmnZm@ ldwly@ llkrm@ wlnbydh `m 2010".wfy khtm klmth, qdm llHwd shhd@ mn lmnZm@ ldwly@ llkrm@ wlnbydh tqdyr lltnZym lnjH lywmy lnbydh llbnny fy zwrykh wjnyf fy swysr ywmy 11 w17 Hzyrn 2018.lHwdthm tHdth lmdyr l`m lwzr@ lzr`@ fql: "fy lwq`, 'qf bkl fkhr fy jm`@ lrwH lqds - lkslyk fy fttH lmw'tmr lthlth llnbydh llbnny fy lbnn, whdh lmw'tmr y'ty tb` lkl ljhwd lty bdhlnh mndh 'n bd'n bHml@ lnbydh llbnny fy `m 2012, wm wSln lyh lywm hw Hlm. whdh l'mr y`wd fDlh ll`dyd mn l'shkhS".'Df: "bd' l'mr brd@ wTny@ kbyr@ lHtDn qT` lnbydh, whdhh lrd@ ttrjm ywm b`d ywm br`y@ lHkwm@ llbnny@, wb`d 'n zr mdyr `m lmnZm@ byrwt, rHbt bh khms wzrt: wzr@ lkhrjy@, wzr@ lqtSd, wzr@ l`lm, wzr@ l`dl wwzr@ lsyH@, wb`d lqy'n lfkhm@ ry'ys ljmhwry@ llbnny@ ldhy ystqbl lmwfd ldwly bmrfq@ fryq `mlh".km wjh lHwd tHy@ lry'ys ljmhwry@ l`md myshl `wn, "ldhy yHrS dy'm `l~ r`y@ kl nshTt qT` lnbydh llbnny fy lbnn wlkhrj, wb`dh dwl@ lry'ys s`d lHryry ldhy b`d `wdth mn lhy yltqy lwfd fy byt lwsT, whdh dlyl `l~ HtDn ry'ys lHkwm@ lhdh lnshT". wshdd `l~ 'n "wzr@ lzr`@ mstmr@ b`mlh", mHyy "jhwd lwzyr Gzy z`ytr wd`mh" wshkr "tfwyDh lh mwDw` lnbydh llbnny m` kl ltshylt lty qdmh". km shkr kl lwzr lsbqyn "ldhyn lwl d`mhm lm twSln l~ tHqyq kl hdhh lnjHt". km shkr jm`@ lrwH lqds "lty knt dy'm shryktn fy kl nshTt lnbydh llbnny, w`brh lrhbny@ llbnny@ lmrwny@ wl'b l`m n`m@ llh lhshm, lry'ys l`m llrhbny@, ldhyn 'kdw HrShm msnd@ lwzr@ fy d`m qT` lnbydh. w`br l'b jwrj Hbyq@, 'shkr lrhbny@ wkl fryq `ml ljm`@ w'hny'k `l~ ldktwr@ lr wkym w`l~ kly@ l`lwm lzr`y@ wlGdhy'y@ lty t`tbr mnr@ lklyt lzr`@ fy lbnn wtqdm `ml tqny mhm lms`d@ kl lqT`t lzr`y@". wshkr 'yD ltHd llbnny llkrm@ wlnbydh wlmntjyn fy kl lbnn, "l'nh lwl Htrmhm llmwSft wlnw`y@, lm wSl lnbydh llbnny lm hw `lyh lywm, mt'lq fy l`wSm l'wrwby@ wl'myrky@", mw'kd "d`m wzr@ lzr`@ lhm Dmn mknyth", wm`ln 'nh stTlq "mkny@ jdyd@ lywm m` dwl@ lry'ys mn byt lwsT, Dmn khT@ lqT` lnbydh llbnny, `l~ 'ml 'n ttrjm `nd tshkyl lHkwm@ ljdyd@, l'nn n`tbr 'n hdh lqT` sykwn Smm 'mn lqtSd llbnny wDmn lSlHt lty tqwm bh lHkwm@ llbnny@ b`d mw'tmrt ld`m ldwly@ lty 'njzt llbnn".wql: "lqT` yjb 'n yHtDn wlmntj yjb 'n yHtDn `br `d@ `wml wmnh lstmrr bl'ym l`lmy@. wfy 'wl yr 2019 sykwn ywm jdyd lt'lq lnbydh llbnny fy ldnmrk, b`d brys 2013 wbrlyn 2014 wnywywrk wwshnTn 2016 wsn frnsyskw wlws njls 2017 wjnyf fy Hzyrn lmDy 2018". 'Df: "snstGl lmshrk@ fy lm`rD wsnbd' bm`rD fy dwl@ lSyn b`d 'n bd'n bltwSl m` lHkwm@ lSyny@ bhdf zyd@ Sn`@ lnbydh llbnny l 50 mlywn zjj@ nbydh fy l'swq ljdyd@. m` dwl@ lSyn, ntwq` zyd@ lSn`@ bHwly l 10 mlyyn zjj@ `n `dd lntj lmtwq`".wwjh tHy@ llwzyr bsyl "wkl fryq `ml lwzr@ `l~ jhwdhm fy mtb`@ nshTt wzr@ lzr`@ ltswyq lnbydh llbnny `br lb`tht ldblwmsy@ wlqtSdy@, wql: "fy 23 tshryn l'wl syqm fy sfrtn fy lndn ywm llnbydh llbnny, wnHn mst`dwn lqm@ 'ym tdhwq shrT 'n ybdy lmntjwn llbnnywn st`ddhm ldhlk".wlft l~ "'nh sykwn hnk t'lq jdyd fy hnGry fy knwn l'wl lmqbl, mn khll qm@ ywm llmwn@ llbnny@ wmn Dmnh mntjt lnbydh llbnny". wtb` lHwd: "nHn mstmrwn bHmy@ lmntj lwTny `br qrrt `d@: lqd tm ltfq lbrH@ m` wzyr lsyH@ `l~ Sdr qrrt lHmy@ lmntjt llbnny@, `br lTlb mn lmT`m wlfndq wkl lmw'sst lsyHy@ bsthlk lnbydh llbnny. km 'nshd lGtrb llbnny d`m lnbydh llbnny `br sthlkh l'nh yrmz l~ HDr@ lbnn wtrthh wthqfth, wyshm fy bq lmzr` fy 'rDh w`dm lhjr@ wby` l'rDy... km sykwn hnk `ml jdyd m` lrhbnyt wl'brshyt `l~ Grr l`ml m` mw'ss@ 'dyr". wHy lHwd wzyr l`lm fy Hkwm@ tSryf l'`ml mlHm lryshy `l~ "jhwdh fy tswyq lnbydh llbnny mndh stlmh lwzr@", shkr lh "t'myn lnql lmbshr lhdh lmw'tmr `l~ ltlfzywn lrsmy", mshdd `l~ "wjwb wD` hdh ltlfzywn btSrf lmntjt llbnny@", wlft l~ 'nh "qd tm ltfq m` lwzyr lryshy `l~ tslyT lDw `l~ mntj lbnny `br hdhh lshsh@ kl 'sbw`yn".km shkr 'wrn `l~ "ld`m ldy'm llmnZm@ wkl lwzr ldhyn t`wnw m`n fy hdh lmwDw`", mwjh tHy@ lkl lHDryn wlfryq `ml wzr@ lzr`@.wkhtm mw'kd: "nHn snqf dy'm l~ jnb lmntjyn wnHrS `l~ zyd@ lSdrt wnrHb bkl t`wn mn 'y jh@ 't~. sybq~ lnbydh llbnny sfyr mt'lq mmyz fy kl lmHfl ldwly@ wl`lmy@". Hbyq@w'lq~ ry'ys jm`@ lrwH lqds - lkslyk klm@ ql fyh: "b`d ftr@ wjyz@ `l~ ntkhby, 'lqyt 'wl klm@ ly kry'ys ljm`@ lrwH lqds - lkslyk fy lmw'tmr lthlth llnbydh llbnny fy l`m 2016. dh, lys mn lmblG@ lqwl n lHtfl blnbydh llbnny yshkl Hd~ l`lmt lfrq@ wyDfy nkh@ khS@ `l~ `hdy. wlm`jz@ l'wl~ lsydn ysw` lmsyH knt fy qn ljlyl fy `rs nfdht khllh lkhmr fj'@. ftdkhl ysw` lnqdh frH 'hl l`rwsyn wHwl lm l~ khmr@ ldhydh@ rwHy@ frHt qlwb lmd`wyn, fknt 'shbh blmdhq l'wl lT`m lzmn laty". w'Df: "ydhkrn dhlk bm j `l~ lsn 'sh`y lnby (lqrn lthmn q.m.) Hwl lHzn lshdyd ldhy ylf lwjwd `nd nfdh lkhmr: "ySrkh fy lshwr` lTlb lkhmr fqd Gb kl frH wntf~ Trb l'rD." (sh 24: 11) fy hdh lTr t'ty lfkr@ lbr`@ lty tbdrt l~ dhhn qds 'byn l`m n`m@ llh lhshm `ndm 'Tlq mshrw` "'dyr" lSn`@ lnbydh l`Dwy ldhy yHml fy Tyth nkh@ byy'tn wT`m 'rDn btnw`th lmjbwl@ bjmlt jbln wftwn shwln wsHr wdynn. l`l l'dyb@ lfrnsy@ kwlyt (Colette) knt mHq@ fy qwlh n "lkrm@ hy lwHyd@ fy `lm lnbt lty tj`ln `l~ byn@ mn mdhq l'rD lHqyqy." ydhkrn dhlk blmthl lfrnsy lqy'l n lnbydh yHml dwm `Tr 'rDh". wdhkr "b'n lktb lmqds yqr bfwy'd lkhmr lstthny'y@, n `l~ lS`yd l`ljy 'w lsh`wry, lknh yHdhr dwm mn lfrT fy Htsy'h ldhy yw'dy l~ lkhTr wlmwt, wyshdd bltly `l~ 'qS~ drjt l`tdl blqwl n lqlyl mn lkhmr yfrH qlb lnsn. wkm wrd fy msrHy@ "lwHshy" (Le Brutal) llktb lkwmydy lltyny blwt (Plaute) fy lqrn lthny qbl lmsyH: "lys llkhmr 'n ttHkm fy lnsn, bl ynbGy `l~ lnsn 'n ytHkm fy lkhmr." mn nHy@ 'khr~, qd ykwn mn lmfyd hn 'n ndhkr b'n mfhwm lkmy@ yfqd 'hmyth tmm `ndm yt`lm lmr tdhwq lnbydh f`ly wHtrfy. hdhh lnZr@ ttqT` kly m` m dhhb l~ qwlh lfnn lsbny slfdwr dly (Salvador Dali) Hyn 'kd 'n "mn yjyd ltdhwq l y`wd yshrb lnbydh, bl ytdhwq ldh@ 'srrh". km 'n blnsb@ llb`D, mn mnZr akhr, ytHwl lnbydh l~ mnZwm@ 'khlqy@ wmqys 'dby lTlq l'Hkm `l~ slwkyt lbshr `br Swr byny@ wmjzy@ blyG@. mn hn qwl lkhTyb wlktb lrwmny shyshrwn (Cicero) n "lbshr klkhmr, m` mrwr lzmn, ljyd mnhm yTyb 'kthr w'kthr wlrdy mnhm yHmD 'kthr w'kthr".wshdd l'b Hbyq@ `l~ 'nh "m` hdhh lbq@ lmtnw`@ mn l'fkr Hwl lnbydh, ybq~ 'n lGy@ mn hdh lmw'tmr lywm nm hy stkhdm ltknwlwjy kwsyl@ ltslyT lDw `l~ lshklyt lHly@ lty tTl qT` Sn`@ lnbydh fy lbnn wl`lm mn khll mshmt khbr mHlyyn wdwlyyn. km y'ty dhlk fy lwqt `ynh d`m lshhd@ lmstr fy `lm lkhmr@, whw msr t`lymy mbtkr wfryd mn nw`h fy lshrq l'wsT ttmyz bh kly@ l`lwm lzr`y@ wlGdhy'y@ fy jm`@ lrwH lqds - lkslyk". ljlstthm n`qdt bqy jlst lmw'tmr wtmHwrt Hwl mwDy`: lnbydh llbnny: tHdyt wfrS, ltqnyt ljdyd@ fy Sn`@ lnbydh wlstrtyjyt ljdyd@ fy ntj lnbydh, bmshrk@ nkhb@ mn lkhbr wlkhtSSyyn wl'kdymyyn lf`lyn fy hdh lqT` mn mkhtlf lbldn l'wrwby@ wbldn dwl lbHr l'byD lmtwsT.